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Enjoying watching remotely via WebRTC in my browser. Yo dawg, I heard you like web standards.

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Why can't you comment on this post? #indieweb

I'm sometimes asked why my posts here on my Known site don't let people comment on them.

The answer is: actually, they do. And I want to read your comments. Feedback is a gift.

Known, like p3k, Taproot and a number of other platforms, uses an open technology called webmention to power its comments. Plugins are also available to help WordPress use webmention.

What webmention gives us is a truly decentralized conversation: you can make a post on your site, mark it as being in reply to this post, and it'll show up as a comment here - but you also get to keep everything you've written on your own site. That way, even if my site goes away, you have a record of every conversation you've had with me. (If you want it.)

You don't need Known to leave a comment: you can use anything that supports webmention.

Through the power of webmention and Bridgy, you can also reply to this post on Twitter and Facebook (see the links at the bottom of the page for this post), and your response will show up here.

This isn't to say that we're not going to add public comments to Known. We are. But we want to make sure we do it right. Sites like Medium have shown interesting new models for user feedback that we're very interested in (and there are decentralized counterparts like marginalia).

We're definitely inviting feedback on this, and would love to read your thoughts. What kind of comments would you like to see?

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@LongHandPixels We're doing our best with @withknown. Publishing first, but then ...

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Farewell, . Many photos lost. Yet another reason why it's better to share from a site that you control.

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Some @withknown tech changes that landed last night: better webmentions handling, and full micropub support for single-user sites.

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UK friends who care about the web: I highly recommend UK, Sep 6-7 in Brighton. http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK

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Visions of Known: an awesome convergence of thought between and http://bavatuesdays.com/visions-of-known/

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Run your own 'MySpace' (an interview with me from November 2006) http://www.zdnet.com/blog/social/run-your-own-myspace-with-elgg-spaces/17

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Geeking out over @aaronpk's amazing websockets-based web IRC client for . Join the chat! http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-08-27?beta

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@webfoundation To echo @kevinmarks, check out the , empowering people to own their own space on the web. http://indiewebcamp.com

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@tef @kevinmarks Thanks! Doing our best. (& is incredible. Go to the Brighton camp on the 6th!) @blaine @hyper_linda @ntlk

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@ericholscher You should join us all at DC in the spring! @jimgroom @erinjo @withknown

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Getting lots of great feedback from this video, bringing to . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W50wK9KVueE Educators, we want to hear from you.

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@kyle_wm Ahhh, an tradition.

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A preview of the services @withknown is offering to educators & institutions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W50wK9KVueE

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@Bali_Maha @jmenglund03 The plugin supports webmentions: incoming interactions from other sites. Try w/ http://brid.gy

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@lynnemagic @mcclure111 Couldn't resist. But it's an open source, thing; didn't intend a hard sell.

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Drawing a line from @elgg to @withknown: an adventure in #edtech and #indieweb

1. Elgg: a social networking engine for education.

Elgg communitiesIn November, 2004, we released the first version of Elgg to the world. We originally called it a learning landscape: an educational software platform that took its cues from the emerging social web rather than rigid classroom structures. In many ways, it was as much a reaction to Blackboard and WebCT as it was to Livejournal and MySpace.

I'd been building web communities since 1995, so when I arrived at the University of Edinburgh to work on elearning software, I was appalled at what I'd found. Every single person who used the dominant learning management systems, from the administrators down to the students, hated them. Students only used them because they were forced to; as it turned out, administrators only used them because they were forced to.

And yet, people were learning from each other on the web all the time. Through platforms like Livejournal and Delicious, people with different skills and contexts were colliding and creating a new kind of culture. The web had made it possible for anyone to publish as long as they bought some web space and learned HTML. Suddenly, anyone could publish, as long as they could connect to the Internet at all.

Elgg took the social web, applied it to education, and wrapped the whole thing in an open source license. It took off like wildfire.

Embedded podcastFrom the beginning, it was important to us that users got to control their own space. They could choose their own theme, and hack it, if they wanted to. Most importantly, they could choose exactly who could see each and every post: long before Mark Zuckerberg declared that the age of privacy was dead, our research indicated that students felt more comfortable with web publishing if they could keep tight reigns over who could see their work.

We knew Elgg was bigger than education when non-profits in Columbia got in touch to let us know they were using the platform. Soon afterwards, schools in Bangladesh were featured by the BBC for using it. Over time, as more non-education users emerged - more non-profits like Oxfam and Greenpeace, alongside Swatch, BMW, hedge funds, and the rugby star Will Carling - it evolved into a social networking engine that anyone could pick up and use. We started with a very specific use case - reflective learning in higher education - and widened into something much bigger. To date, Elgg users have included Harvard University, NASA, Hill & Knowlton, the federal governments of several nations, and the World Bank.

I made the choice to move on to new pastures a few years ago. Today, Elgg is managed by a non-profit foundation. The current team is doing an amazing job, and, under their stewardship, the platform has transformed again, into a programming toolkit for people who want to build social applications.

2. Known: the easiest way to own your own space on the Internet.

Meanwhile, individuals are in need of spaces that they truly control more than ever before. In the old days, we thought this was important to help them feel more comfortable with posting their personal reflections to a public space (not everything has to be about maintaining your "personal brand", after all). While that's still true, sites like Facebook are pointing to a more imperative need: a place to publish where you won't be experimented on without your permission, where you won't be spied upon, where you can move your content at any time, and where your content and conversations aren't owned by one of a very small number of corporate silos.

thumb.pngKnown is a platform for a new kind of social web. You can think of each Known site as being a single social profile, either for an individual or a group. Each one can interact with each other in a decentralized way (using indie web technology), or they can interact with all the other sites they use - including Elgg, as well as Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare and all the rest of them. Educational institutions are already asking us if we can integrate with learning management systems like Canvas - and the answer is, yes.

We have privacy, too. Known site owners can choose who can see their content, and they can choose the look and feel of their sites, including what kinds of content they want to publish.

We know that over 50% of Internet use happens on a mobile device, and any new platform has to take that into account. We've made Known fully responsive, so it works on any mobile device with a web browser, including your iPhone, Android phone, Windows Phone device, iPad, tablet, and so on. Even your BlackBerry works with Known. Because mobile usage leads to new kinds of content, Known supports location check-ins and posting photos while you're moving around. And, of course, individuals and organizations can roll their own content types using custom plugins.

thumb.pngOn any device, ownership of your site and content, combined with an understanding of your community, gives you a new kind of clarity about your online self. You know exactly who can see each item you post. You know who's responding to you on which networks, and you understand which kinds of content your audiences are interested in. Known is both a safe space to reflect, and a singular site that represents you on the web. And more than anything else, it's respectful software that puts you at the center of your online world.

Known is open source. As a company, we're providing software and customization services to make it easier for organizations to administer, as well as support subscriptions for everyone who uses Known. Finally, we're also working on providing managed infrastructure for anyone who wants to run Known, either individually or for their organization, without the hassle of server administration.

I've been privileged to spend over a decade working on open platforms that empower people and organizations to control their own spaces on the Internet. The pendulum is swinging back to a world where users are asking for that control, and I'm looking forward to making Known the definitive way to own your content online.

If you've read this far, you should definitely check us out: at withknown.com, on Twitter, and on AngelList.

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@oxfordgeeks Do you know what day OGN in December will be on, and are you at all interested in an talk?

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@tef I feel like this is somewhere is useful; why aren't we scrobbling to our own sites?

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@tcarmody Even in the community - which is all about this! - there were voices saying this is how social works.

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@tcarmody Couldn't agree more. Hopefully we can turn it around. It's worth looking into the movement.

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Sandstorm.io is another very interesting platform: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/sandstorm-io-personal-cloud-platform

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Thinking about organizing / proposing an developer room at FOSDEM.

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